I am doing the television interview.
In this interview, I am the interviewee, Konrad Glogowski.
My friend Remy is Borat, the interviewer.

Borat:

Hello, and welcome to Channel 4 News live from Los Angeles! I’m Borat Sagdiyev, the sixth most famous man in all of Kazakhstan!!! Now in my country we have problems regarding some famous book called Animal Farm which the people from America hold in high regard. Many people from my country who have read it are questioning the way things are run in our country, and this must stop! But in order for us to better understand the book we have here today with us a well known expert on the book, Konrad Glogowski! Now Konrad, why do you think the book cause such a stir in my country?


Me:

Well Borat, this book is an allegory of the Bolshevik rebellion in Russia, and each character represents a different person or group from the rebellion. George Orwell, the author, wrote the book with many symbols hidden in the literature. Napoleon the pig represents Josef Stalin, Snowball represents Leon Trotsky, Squealer represents Stalin’s propaganda, Boxer the horse represents the proletariats, and the dogs represent the Secret Police. Essentially, this book criticises Stalin and his government. It shows the danger of propaganda and the abuse of language. It also shows the danger of a naïve working class and the importance of education rather than indoctrination.


Borat:

What?!?! The strong Stalin is shown by a PIG?! That unacceptable. He a mighty ruler! And criticise his government even worse! Wa wa wee wa. No wonder this book is causing trouble.



Me:

Actually Borat, in America, we criticise Stalin and regard him as evil. Orwell did an excellent job of portraying Napoleon to be just like Stalin. Napoleon used his dogs to expel Snowball, thus making sure that he was totally in control of the government of Animal Farm. This is referring to Stalin’s exile of Trotsky. Napoleon is economically – minded, and as a result, he forced the animals to build the windmill over and over again even when it kept falling or was destroyed. This insistence on having the windmill built represents Stalin’s 5-year plans. Napoleon used Squealer to smooth everything over whenever he went against the Seven Commandments. Also, Napoleon, like Stalin, is paranoid that someone will come to kill him, and so he began the Great Purges! Napoleon killed many, many animals because of his paranoia, and Stalin killed millions of peasants and high-ranking military executives. As you can see Borat, Napoleon and Stalin are alike in many ways, and they were both evil. Napoleon’s government was a totalitarian dictatorship like Stalin’s government, which did not allow the citizens any free rights. This is why we Americans reject Stalin, Borat… because of the ruthlessness in which he murdered, the freedoms he denied his people. Orwell portrays this well in his character Napoleon.


Borat:

And what are we supposed to get out of this book, Konrad? I mean, surely any book which is slanderous towards the powerful Stalin does not have a good message!


Me:

Borat, as I mentioned earlier, the book teaches us how dangerous propaganda, rhetoric and the abuse of language can be.


Borat:

You mean like the anti-Kazakh propaganda spread by nasty Uzbeks? Death to all Uzbeks!!!


Me:

No, Borat, not like that kind of propaganda.


Borat:

Well why not use propaganda and rhetoric like that? It sure gets the job done! I mean, when I walked down the street this morning, I got at least 100 different glares filled with hatred! Then someone flipped me into a garbage can!!! Clearly they had read the Uzbek anti-Kazakh propaganda!

Me:

Borat, the propaganda I’m talking about was spread by Napoleon and Squealer in order to project a false image of success on Animal Farm. They used it to fool the animals about how much food they had to eat. It was damaging, Borat; the horses and all the other animals thought they had enough to eat, but they did not, and they soon starved. Squealer, the symbol for propaganda in Animal Farm, made long lists of incorrect figures of how much food the farm produced in order to make the animals think that they were getting fed more than they actually were. Squealer used propaganda to make Mr. Whymper think that the farm had a surplus of food when he told the sheep to remark casually in Whymper’s presence that rations had been increased. Also, Squealer fills the food storage buckets with sand almost to the top, and then puts the actual food on top. This makes Whymper think that the farm has no food shortage. Squealer abuses language, and uses rhetoric in order to keep the animals from rising up against the pigs’ leadership. One example of this is when Squealer says that science has proven that milk and apples are good for pigs to eat. He knows nothing about science, but he knows that it sounds impressive, and so he uses it to keep the other animals from rebelling because the pigs ate all the apples and drank all the milk. Also, at the end of the novel, the animals discover that the Seven Commandments have been changed into one commandment stating “All animals are equal, but some animals are more equal than others.” This outrageous abuse of the word equal shows how the pigs (mainly Squealer) have used rhetoric so much to distort words, that they believed, and were right in believing that this abuse of the word “equal” would not fall out of the ordinary.


Borat:

I sense you have more to say about the message of Animal Farm.

Me:

The importance of education is an important theme in the book as well. This shows how potentially damaging, and politically dangerous it is if there is no education among the citizens.

Borat:

Education is not important. Working hard is the most important thing! Look at Stalin! His country was filled with uneducated peasants, and in its time, it had the second greatest economy in the world, because its people worked hard. What do you have to say to that?


Me:

Stalin’s government, like Napoleon’s, was a dictatorship, so naturally many human rights were broken, and the lack of education is just one of them. This lack of education among the animals of Animal Farm allowed the pigs to use their rhetoric and propaganda to baffle them. The pigs are the only animals on the farm that have been somewhat educated. Snowball wants to educate the animals, as he is for the animals, and he is willing to support them. We know that education is beneficial to a population, because when Snowball took the time to educate the animals, the farm was running at its best! There was the most food, the most leisure time, and finally there was the most freedom! Snowball encouraged democracy, whereas Napoleon wanted his dictatorship. Napoleon, who is opposite of Snowball, is like the leader in The Pedestrian; both seem to rather indoctrinate their citizens than educate them, in order to allow themselves to do whatever they please. Look at Canada, for example. Education there is free, and they have one of the best Human Development Indexes in the world as a result of this free education.


Borat:


Now, can you tell us how Animal Farm relates to everyday life or current events? Why do you think that it is making such a stir in my country?

Me:

Animal Farm criticizes censorship. The dogs and Squealer are used as censors in order to prevent the widespread distribution of information against Napoleon and pro-Snowball. Your government in Kazakhstan has internet censorship. It eliminates material as a result of it being critical of the government and its president. For example, the site www.eurasia.org.ru is not allowed in Kazakhstan because of its content, which criticizes President Nursultan Nazarbayev.


Borat:

I love President Nazarbayev! He is best leader! Why you telling me he is bad?


Me:

Ahh. If only you knew that you yourself are a victim of this censorship! He has brainwashed even you to believe that he is infallible.


Borat:

What do you mean, Konrad? He is best leader!


Me:

Ha ha ha. Animal Farm shows how wrong censorship can be, if it is used to only show one side of a political group or agenda. It shows the damage caused by this censorship, and the power it can put in the hands of the group causing it. Censorship is the main method dictators use to control their people, and if your president is already using censorship, he may soon become a dictator!


Borat:

I see now why this Animal Farm is bringing uprising to my country! Maybe after I study closer, I understand how we can fix these problems in my country. Our time now is up. Thank you Konrad for explaining all about Animal Farm!

Me:

You’re welcome. I enjoyed myself here on Channel 4 news.


Borat:

Once again, thanks for coming. That was Konrad Glogowski, literature expert, here to talk to us about Animal Farm. I’m Borat Sagdiyev, live on Channel 4 news. And remember… Stay classy, Kuçsek!